Ride-hailing apps are now 65% bigger than taxis in New York City [OC]

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14 Mar 2018 22:02 - +4468
I don't live in NYC but a ~10 mile trip in a taxi is $33. The best offer I have gotten from a cabbie, whom I talk to everyday for work, was $25. I can take an uber for $14. I wonder why taxis are getting run out of business. I start to wonder if lyft and uber are planning to raise prices once they basically own the market (yes in the illegal way) Edit: this comment gained way more traction than I was ready to handle. At the end of the day I am worried about what the ride sharing industry looks like in the next 20 years. Maybe everything works out, or maybe car prices double and the same trip that costs me $14 today will cost $30 and I will be out of luck. I'm not a psychic. I'm just a dude who drives cars for a living.
14 Mar 2018 22:33 - +3224
My wife and I visited New York City for a week last year to see some friends. We were using Uber up until we wanted to get somewhere quickly so we just hailed a cab. The ride was fine, but the asshole never turned on the meter so he said, "Uhh, that will be $12." Smallest bill any of us had was a $20 bill, so I hand him one and he says, "Sorry, I don't have any change." I just said fuck it and we got out. Never using a taxi in New York again if I can help it.
14 Mar 2018 22:02 - +1837
In the case of where I live, taxis are nasty, old, and the drivers will try to get as much from you as possible, like asking for extra because of traffic or just asking for a flat rate and then not running the meter. Ride sharing is much better because I know how much it will cost beforehand, the car will be clean and the driver will be much more polite. I'm surprised that they didn't take over earlier.
14 Mar 2018 22:33 - +1739
Getting denied by taxis enough times just to get me across the bridge to Brooklyn is more than enough reason for me to take Uber. That and few cabbies have any clue where anything is. Apparently they never heard of GPS.
14 Mar 2018 22:00 - +513
Another interesting observation is that the taxi usage rate was slowly increasing, and might have been close to 15m today without the ride-hailing apps. Now with the ride-hailing apps, the total number of trips is close to 25m. Is it known if this vast and sudden increase has had a big impact on a) use of public transportation, b) number of people owning their own cars and c) traffic congestion in general?
14 Mar 2018 21:37 - +460
Even the NYC taxi Unions can only stall for so long before their own members are signing up for Uber and Lyft.
14 Mar 2018 22:59 - +407
Can you guarantee me a clean taxi (no barf smell/stains or smoke smell) with seatbelts that will arrive within 15 minutes? No? Well that’s why I use Uber.
14 Mar 2018 22:56 - +370
The owners of taxi companies are borderline crooks I remember asking a guy how much he made, he explained it costs him 120 bucks for the day to use the car so until he makes that amount of money he makes nothing Then if anything goes wrong in the car their cheap boss will try to blame it on them, even though they're driving retired crown vics from 10 years ago that were dogged like no other by the local PD Now uber you ride in a nicer modern car that doesn't smell of vomit and cigarettes and it's much cheaper, plus I get to rate the driver
14 Mar 2018 22:25 - +233
Considering a NYC medallion last year, ranged from $325,000 to $750,000 and Uber and Lyft is essentially free I don't see how they can sustain.
14 Mar 2018 22:39 - +185
It's worth noting that the rate of decrease in the taxi line is not the same as the rate of increase of the ride-hail line. That tells us that there were many people who weren't using any form of taxi service and are now doing so. Yes, taxis have lost some ridership, but people have not just stopped using taxis altogether (what their public affairs people would have us believe).
14 Mar 2018 21:59 - +182
Interesting to see that the taxi companies were barely hit by Uber. Shows that Ubers ridership is likely a different demographic with only a small amount of overlap
14 Mar 2018 22:22 - +149
Ride-hailing apps are just prepping the Taxi industry for a complete shut down. The minute ride-shares like UBER are able to afford a fleet of secure, self-driving cars, there will be no more human drivers.
14 Mar 2018 22:36 - +102
I love Uber and hate taking taxis. They always feel so impersonal and super dirty. I never want to even sit in the taxi. Uber fixed all the problems I've ever had with taxis. So, in short, good.
14 Mar 2018 23:11 - +76
Whilst a cheap ride will certainly give them an edge over traditional hail-cabs, to me the game changer is the ability to book them to come to you, instead of having to hunt out a main road and hope for the best. All the black cab companies in london were rightly campaigning against ubers business practices (shit pay, no protections etc) but they also need to stop and think why they were astronomically successful and popular. And it wasn't just the price.
14 Mar 2018 22:47 - +62
Taxi medallions are completely worthless now. I do feel a little bad for the taxi industry, but they were screwing people over for far too long
15 Mar 2018 00:39 - +41
The last cab I took was to the airport in Las Vegas in 2015. I tipped the guys like $3 in a $25/ 10 minute ride. He promptly got out of the car to inform me that I didn’t tip him enough and that the minimum tip was $10. I laughed and walked away.
14 Mar 2018 22:30 - +40
What do you think causes those very uniform fluctuations in cab usage? Maybe increased cab usage in the winter, or the rainier months vs the summer?
14 Mar 2018 21:36 - +39
Part of a recent update to this post, originally from 2015: http://toddwschneider.com/posts/analyzing-1-1-billion-nyc-taxi-and-uber-trips-with-a-vengeance/#update-2017 Code on GitHub: https://github.com/toddwschneider/nyc-taxi-data/tree/master/analysis/2017_update Data via NYC TLC: http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/about/trip_record_data.shtml Analysis/graphs done with R
14 Mar 2018 22:53 - +38
No one company or mode of transportation should have a monopoly on this service. The free market should decide what gets used, and there should be no protections for old institutions that won't adapt, change with the times or offer competitive pricing.
14 Mar 2018 22:55 - +26
Going from the airport to the hotel in a cab - $35 Same trip in Uber - $10 This isn't in NYC...but it makes my choice pretty obvious.
14 Mar 2018 23:05 - +18
The cabbies around here are total dicks. Either they would purposely take the long way to the destination or they would act super cool and say they would take a short cut but instead take the long way again. I spent $25 on a 5.7 mile ride (I just looked it up-from my place to the strip of bars) a few years ago on St. Patty's day, today that ride costs me like $9 in an Uber or Lyft.
14 Mar 2018 23:32 - +18
Long time lurker, first time commentator. I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying this but as a Torontonian, this is kind of a passion topic for me: Taxis are the slower, dirtier, more expensive, more frustrating method. They owned a monopoly all the way through and instead of practicing some ways of protecting that dominance they just waved their middle fingers in the face of every complainant. The initial reason Uber, Lyft et al. have been able to not only get hooks in, but **dominate** so quickly is that they entered a market *starving* for change, difference and options. People only sought those things because the taxi business from the top on down to the customer level was all about rolling large poops downhill into the waiting mouths of those below. I can't speak for NY, but in Toronto, the taxi monopoly began illegally anyway (taxi licenses were free from the city, people got them until the city said "no more", they formed groups that then rented/sold these licenses for ridiculous $ -- I mean, I talk to cabbies who have *well over* $100k debts for these licenses) - the government tried to step in and these groups who now had some power said "you knew something like this could happen but you didn't stop it and that's your fault" and the rest is history. [A Source](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/adventure/red-line/how-uber-is-ending-the-dirty-dealings-behind-torontos-cab-business/article25515301/)
14 Mar 2018 23:28 - +17
It really helps that these apps hold their employees to higher standards as far as cleanliness of the cars and the drivers are rated on the experience. Accountability really makes for a better experience all around.
15 Mar 2018 00:18 - +17
It's unfortunate. One time I needed a cab ride. I called two local cab companies. One didn't pick up and answer their phone after calling twice, another told me it'd be an hour wait and approximately $20 dollars. I hailed a Lyft, the driver was literally parked on the street corner I was at, and the total cab ride was $7. I have no idea how a cab company can compete with that.
15 Mar 2018 00:37 - +13
I was at a convention with a friend in Atlanta. A 10 mile uber from the hotel to the event was $17, and we split the fare. It was super late when we left, and our phones died. We had no choice but to hail a local taxi. Fucking $45 minimum plus mileage. It was $70 for a 10 mile trip. Whole time dude is ranting about Uber and Lyft taking his business. Fuck taxi services. I'd rather have the nice dude listening to biggie in his donked out Lincoln drive me around trying to make a living than a literal highway robbery.
14 Mar 2018 22:28 - +9
Also interesting to see that traditional cabs are affected by seasonal changes way more than the app based competitors.
15 Mar 2018 00:07 - +8
I called a cab company hours in advance to get my pet to the vet on time for her appointment. It never showed up. After calling and calling for 45 minutes and getting told nothing but "we're running low on drivers" I downloaded uber. Never looked back.
14 Mar 2018 23:27 - +6
This highlights the untapped user base that ride share apps unlocked more than anything else. Great visual demonstration of how technology can create new value.
14 Mar 2018 23:20 - +6
The last time I took a taxi was in Vegas, and the guy took like 20 minutes to get me to my destination that was no more than a 10 minute drive. When I checked the map later, I saw that he took me on some bullshit roundabout way. The fare was like $35. I rarely use Uber because I'm not a big drinker, but when I do, it's always a pleasant experience. I'll never take a taxi again.
14 Mar 2018 22:37 - +1
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